While I just love Psalms 40, and read it almost every day as a reminder to me alone, in my own understanding, I think we get the answer in some way, from Psalm 100.

Psalm 100

100:1 Make a joyful noise unto YHWH, all ye lands.

100:2 Serve YHWH with gladness: come before his presence with singing.

100:3 Know ye that YHWH he is Elohim: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

100:5 For YHWH is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.


Thanks!

I like how this guy states his first 15 bullet points.

(Mostly because he agrees with me!)

Yahushua is OF god, but not ALL THAT THERE IS of god.

Because you are his son also!

That is another massive lie of christianity, that only Jesus is the son of God. (Solomon would like a word with all christians that disagree hehe)

By the way, the image is another good point. Adam was made in the image of God, that does not mean Adam is God. Y'shua prayed his Apostles would be "One" that does not mean they were One person, nor does it mean they were God. My wife and I are to become one, but that does not mean we are the same person or that we are God!

In fact I would point out, the very fact that Y'shua sits down at the right hand of his Father, proves 100% he is NOT his Father!

Okay then, let me say this. My own sons, who do by chance work for me, if either left during working hrs to do some job I have given either to do. I see both working for me, representing my interest, but are seperate from me, but actually are me if they don't (or do) complete their task. The recourse (or compliment) of the customer would fall upon my interest, not theirs. So I'm still trying to grasp this setting apart one from the other if both intrested parties are working for the same cause. I see your point BR, about the apostles being of one mind, but too, when Yahushua says He and the Father are one, does that mean only, that their interest are the same, or is that Him walking amongst us, since Abraham through Moses right on up to Yahushua, He was telling us how we come to know Him through leaving the things that can ruin a relationship with Him, behind us, before we can know Him. Abe got it right, but the ppl fell back, and so did Moses get it, but again they fell back in and Father knew this was going to happen? I say yes and He knew it, and that's the reason He walked with us to show us once and for all. If you can seprate yourself from these trappings, the treasures He has stored up are worth it, but remember when you do, gov'ts and religions will be biting at your heal until that day He returns and rights the wrongs on man.

Taken from YY, Yasha
(YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:4-7) "I said, ‘I am poured out (riq), laboring (yaga’ - toiling and growing weary) in the depths (tahowm - from tohuw, formless, empty void, ruinous wasteland of destruction, chaos, confusion, and false testimony (a.k.a., Sheol)). My strength (koah - power, resources, and energy) and breath (hebel - soul, the vapor of life) are finished (kalah - gone). Surely (‘aken) My case and cause (mispat - My sentence in deciding the dispute) is Yahuweh’s. My recompense (pa’ulah - authority, reward, and situation) is I am (‘ani) God (‘elohym)." (YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:4) As God, Yahshua is perfect, and thus His is the only one qualified and capable of accepting the sentence of those who are actually guilty.
Next, God explains the purpose serving as the Sacrificial Lamb. "And so then Yahuweh says, ‘He formed (yasar - fashioned and forged) You from the womb (beten) to be His Servant (‘ebed - from ‘abad meaning implement who serves) to return (suwb - change and restore) Ya’aqob (father of the 12 tribes) to (‘el) Him (hu), gathering (‘asap - bringing together and harvesting) Yisra’el (those who strive with and are empowered by God) to Him." (YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:5) One of the most repeated predictions in Scripture, second only to the arrival of the Messiyah, is the restoration of Yisra’el.
The only person qualified to say these words without bragging is Yahshua: "For I am massively important, honored, and glorified (kabed - extremely significant and distinguished, holding a highly exalted status) in the eyes (‘ayin - perception and presence) of Yahuweh. God (‘elohym) was, is, and will be (hayah - exists as) My supporter (‘azar - helper, assistant, and aid).’" (YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:5)
Yahweh is speaking and.."He says, "He is a diminished (qalal - smaller in energy and mass and lower in elevation) part of (min - from) Me, on behalf of (la - to, toward and concerning) you (‘atah), existing as (hayah) My (‘ani) servant (‘ebed / ‘abad - implement for work and service) to stand up for and establish, to restore (quwm - validate, confirm, and raise up) the tribes (sebet - clans, family, and people) of Ya’aqob, and to change, restore (suwb - turn around, alter, recover, renew, return) and preserve (nasar - protect and keep, spare and shelter) Yisra’el (those who strive with and are empowered by God)." (YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:6) Everything you need to know is encapsulated in these words. Yahshua is the "diminished manifestation of" Yahweh, "part of" Him, sent to us, for our benefit. And before Yisra’el, or us for that matter, can be "preserved, sheltered, and protected" we must first be "restored, changed and renewed." That process is the direct result of Yahweh "standing up for us, establishing us" so that we can stand with Him. God is saying that He will stand up for you and me, accepting our sentence.
But this turn of fortune was not limited to Yisra’el.."I will give You as a gift (natan ‘atah - bestow, deliver, and entrust you as a present) to (la - in order to) provide light to (‘owr - to shine brightly, illuminating) Gentiles (gowyim - non-Jewish nations and peoples), existing as (hayah) I Am (‘ani - as a marker of affirmation, of identity, and of being present as) Yashuw’ah (salvation) to the distant limits (qaseh - far extent or ends of) the land, earth, world, and space (‘erets), says (‘amar - promises and declares) Yahuweh, Redeemer (ga’al) of Yisra’el, the Set Apart One (qadowsh)." (YashaYahu / Isaiah 49:6-7)

1 Corinthians 12:3 (NIV) “Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.”

In an article on an Aramaic website regarding the word “miltha” – used in John 1 – “In the beginning was the Miltha (Word)”, it suggests that 1 Corinthians 12:3 reads “YHWH is Y’shua” (http://www.peshitta.org/bethgazza/Mystery%20of%20Miltha.htm).

On Swalchy’s site, The Way to Yahuweh, the verse reads: “… nor is anyone, anybody or anything powerful to say, “Yahushua* is Yahuweh*”, except in, by and with the Set-Apart and Cleansed Spirit*.”

From what little I have read, the Aramaic word “miltha” means a lot more than just “spoken word”, but actually means “substance, essence, emanation, manifestation.” (The article above gives a great explanation.) So, from the Aramaic and Swalchy’s versions of 1 Corinthians 12:3, along with the meaning of the word “miltha”, a summary might be that: Yahushua is the manifestation of YHWH, or the manifestation of YHWH is Yahushua. This seems to me to agree with Craig’s - ‘Yhay’el, or Yshayah'el – “God existing as man.”

YHWH, being incorporeal/Spirit – the intangible, invisible quality of pure righteousness – fully manifested Himself in Yahushua who was filled with the fullness of YHWH/Righteousness – Isaiah 11:1-5, Colossians 2:9, John 3:34. No other quality or spirit existed in the man Yahushua except the Spirit of YHWH/Righteousness. Agree?

Rebecca,

Check the Greek words that your bible is supposedly translating. Here is the translation Craig has provided:

For God so loved the world that He gave (didomi – delivered,bestowed as a gift, put Himself in our place) His one and only Son (huios – term of relationship and association), that whoever relies upon (pisteuo – trusts and
believes in) Him shall not perish (apollumi – be destroyed, be lost, abolished,
put to an end, and become dead) but have eternal life (aionios zoe).”

You are relying on a word that may not be part of the actual Greek text.

I am a nonPauline, nonreligious, truster in Yahowah’s salvation (Yahusha).

Noah

Is this the last plague?

Heres the truth,

First off his names Yeshua.

As the prophet wrote he would come speaking in parables, that he did do to hide his identity. So only the children of God would understand.

When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. John 12:45

He said right there when you look at him, you look upon the father.

God is a spirit, he's everywere and un conceivable. He is the image and the embodiment of YHWH.

Those whose intellects Satan has blinded, because they do not believe, lest the light of The Gospel of the glory of The Messiah, who is the image of God, should dawn upon them. 2 cor 4:4


By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him. col 1:16
Paralell*
gen 1:1 In the beggining YAH created the heavens and the earth.


1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

John 14:8-9 Philippus said to him, “Our Lord, show us The Father, and it is sufficient for us.” 9Yeshua said to him, “All this time I am with you and you have not known me Phillip? Whoever has seen me has seen The Father, and how do you say, 'Show us The Father'?”



zech 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


I made this it goes in it pretty deep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMz7WuaQXs



Verses saying he's God,

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Romans 9:5 And the Patriarchs; and from them The Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is The God Who is over all, to Whom are praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities, amen.

Please excuse my ignorance, this is my first attempt at answering a question on here and I still have a LOT to learn. However, this question was with me for a large part of the night as I had to think about it really hard. I am still not ready to say for certain that Yahshua (I think I am spelling that right, maybe?) and Yahweh are the same, but I do believe they are One. The reason I think Yahshua spent so much time telling people that He and the Father were One is because of what is happening in Christianity and Judaism today. I still belong to a Christian church and what sent me on my journey was what seemed to be a worshiping of the Son without the Father. I honestly believe the average Christian looks at Yahshua as a lawyer who is going to help them put one over on God. The favorite line is "God knows I am not perfect, that is why Jesus died". I believe they plan on using that line to get away with almost every abomination known to man today. To them, "Jesus" is a get out of hell free card.
The truth is many LOVE Yahshua with all their heart, they aren't however very found of Yahweh. He is mean and judgemental while Yahshua is kind and forgiving to them. They love Yahshua while they hate (in the most literal sense - meaning to love less) Yahweh. Yahshua was telling us you must take both. You don't get one without the other. Many in the Jewish religion want Yahweh without Yahshua and many in the Christian religion would gladly take Yahshua off of their hands and leave them with Yahweh alone. Yahshua is telling us no deal - they are One. We cannot come to a decision on if they are two separate or not because they are not divisible. They are always, at all times, in perfect agreement. The one time (if it is true, I understand there are some things in the Renewed Covenant Scriptures that are debatable) there was even a hint of disagreement or really hesitation, Yahshua said clearly "nevertheless, not my will, but Thine be done". They are One and the One that is leading, guiding, and orchestrating it all is Yahweh.
I think this is a clear message that you must eat all of the Word - you don't get a free pass by saying "well, I did the words of Yahweh, I just didn't realize the Messiah" and you also don't get to say, "well, I followed the words of Yahshua, I just didn't understand what Yahweh expected of me". No, they are One and you are not following one if you are leaving aside the other. So, even if they are two distinctly different "people", it doesn't matter. They are so absolutely on one accord that Yahshua could say with confidence "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father" - because Yahweh would not have done or said anything any differently than Yahshua. His message is (in today's lingo) - look Christians, you can't say you Love me more than the Father or that you are drawn to me and not the Father because we are in complete agreement. If you have a problem with something the Father did or the Father said to do, you have a problem with me as well, because we are in complete agreement. If you want to see how the average Christian views the Father - look at any Christian parenting book. They will tell you it is the job of the parent to discipline the child - but that discipline is always harsh. It is supposed to hurt much more than the infraction, so that the child develops "appropriate fear" so that you will eventually get "first time obedience". Christian parents are told to start to spank their children as early as six months old because the child is "born wicked" and must be beat into submission. If you are a "good parent", by the child becomes are teenager their "will" is automatically in line with yours. You know you did a good job if they automatically "think" like you. And, any Christian will tell you that the WORST thing a parent can do is to try and be a child's "friend". However, they will tell you that God is their Father, while Jesus is their Friend. To them God is an all seeing all eye that is constantly viewing not only their actions, but their thoughts and meticulously recording every single wrong deed. However, the loving Savior will come to their aid on judgement day and cause God not to see their sins, or to "remind God" that "Jesus" already died to cover those. Even with the thief on the cross (and I believe that may have been added), because he is told He will be in paradise with Yahshua - there is no mention of Yahweh. And that is just fine for many Christians, they will finally be able to be from out of sight of the merciless record keeping tracking every wrong and waiting to judge. Christians are going to have to come to terms with the fact that Yahweh didn't change, He is the same as when He dictated the Old Covenant and they must learn the truth and Love that God as well as Yahshua.
However, I think Yahshua was also saying, and look Jews - if you are going to sit here and reject me you are rejecting the Father as well. He wouldn't have done anything differently, you wouldn't have recognized him because he would have looked like me, acted like me, and spoken like me to you. So, if you don't accept me because you don't recognize me then you don't really know Him - because we are in total agreement. They have been fed the lie (that didn't used to be in their believe) that as long as they are meticulously keeping the Talmud, they are okay and Yahweh will be sending a Deliverer. No longer needing a Redeemer in their mind, they are just ready for the rescue, thinking they might not need the redeemer. They look at Christians and think "of course they are going to need a good lawyer, they are constantly breaking the law!" What they need is someone to come and fight a final battle for them, so bring it on, they are tired of living with the unclean. They don't understand they are going to have to accept all of Yahshua - His role in the First visit as well as His redemption in His final return. They are going to have to admit they didn't recognize Him because they weren't as close to Yahweh as they thought; if they were really that close they would have seen the Father through Yahshua and readily accepted Him, even today.
Yahshua had to make it clear that they are a package deal, completely inseparably and non divisible. It matters not if they are attached at the hip, sitting next to each other on two different thrones, or One the morphs shape. The point is they are One as in total agreement with one doing exactly what the other would have done, one saying exactly what the other would have said, and one calling exactly whom the other would have called.

I hope this makes sense and please do correct my thinking of this if there are flaws in logic or understanding. I am still learning!

Ya and the date the texts were written no one knows. Ill stick with my God ;) You are considered anti christ... Satan is very deceiving and cunning and is working through your heart to turn believers away. You need to think very carefully about what youre doing. I can prove youre wrong.

If using, 2nd Peter 2.1, I would even be careful there b/c we can't be certain.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigraph

pls chk your pm...thanks!

We are all here to learn, son. No person here will hold you down, or stand in your way as you exercise your freedom in discovering who your Creator actually is. Might try correcting you if you stumble too far, but that's a good thing. "Fear" is the beginning of knowledge. That fear though, isn't the scarey type you might be accoustomed to. It's the fear that you will not find the path that was deliniated in the Torah and in that, His love shines brightly for us all. And once you see feel this, Love, you know what that fear was about. You fear losing it!

I welcome you and look forward to what you find and relate to others.

And here is the direct quote

"PRAJAPATHI VAI AGRE ASSET;-----
[In the beginning was Prajapathi-the Brahman-the GOD]
TASYA VAI DVITIYA ASEET------
[ with whom was the word]
VAG VAI PARAMA BRAHMAN-----
[and the word was verily the supreme Brahman-the God]"

This is thousands of years older then John 1:1

Yep you can probably tie that together with Israel's obsession with the Golden Calf too and all the fun things about Tarus, etc etc.

And I never wanted youre help in the way I am. You go on being as you are. Yeshua is my king, and this is idiotic nonsense you cant even prove except for a simple google search some hindu posted to hoax a lot of people. You cant tell me which Vedas it's in or were its even found in that certain vedas. You repeat thing's you read with no foundation. Now who's the fool and who is the wise man?

You're awfully prideful.

It is discussions like this that are moving me further and further from trusting anything written in the "NT".

The Adversary has been creating false religions for a long time. He knows enough to make them credible and in many ways they say the same things as YHWH, usually with a twist. For example, there are many non-YHWH creation and flood and salvation stories throughout history. So it does not surprise me that this bit of text is found elsewhere.

I also did some searching for it, found a source reference for the location, but stopped myself before I found a source for the text. What do I care if it is in both places. If I found it would it challenge my trust in YHWH? No, it would only challenge my already thin trust of the "NT". There are some portions of the 'NT' that I will hate to lose (Revelation), but I am tired of trying to make sense of it.

YHWH wrote the Torah, of that I have no hesitation or doubt.
He preserved it until His advent, then tucked a copy away until the end times.
Perhaps that is His way of saying this is all you need.

Fyi this is christian nonsense.

Go to a "A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament" by Francis Brown, S.R. Driver, and Charles A. Briggs and check it also against "A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament", you fill find that this now reads:

Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Fixed/Acquired
Mahalalel Praise of God
Jared Come or Go down
Enoch Train/Dedicate
Methuselah Man of the Dart
Lamech Wild man, overthrower
Noah Rest

Not to even mention that Adam can mean earth and "El" does not mean "God" in the first place but "mighty one with authority" or if used in the plural can mean either "mighty ONES with authority" or "Mighty one with authority over the mighty ones"

Now could this have been used to show earth being appointed mortal sorry and the righteous TEACHER coming and bringing the mortals comfort? Sure. But it has zero to do with #1 a sin sacrifice, or #2 Jesus being God. (Not to even mention that many of these words have multiple meanings and even more meaning when broken down into root words or Paleo Hebrew.)

Funny enough Methuselah even in strongs means "man of the dart". Or the more well known mean of the flood "When he dies it shall be sent (the dart which causes the flood)"

Even at best if you use Chuck Missler's view here (which has even been discredited in christian circles which urge christians not to use this on Jews because it is not accurate!) at best you have a mighty being coming down to teach mankind who brings the despairing a rest or shabbat!

I must ask you to excuse my ignorance, I see now that those names have a myriad of meanings. Alternate translations were used as fillers in ones such as Methuselahs. His name is alternatively "His death shall bring". So take it as you will.

Its nice to have a living reprover of information. Always ready to stab at you, always keeping you on youre toes. I may not like you but you are useful and have your purpose.

Not on to more meaningful things, I found the answer to the John 1:1 verse being in the vedas... it actually wasnt in the Rig Veda...

Im getting the sources, and info together. Be back to post it all soon.