Howdy Marcus!..I hope when and if we do have an economic collapse that we don't have blood in the streets, but for some reason, and I guess that reason is that we now know almost 50% do not pay any taxes in the US, that that is more than likely what will happen. Most ppl are no more than 4 meals away from going hunting in the streets...You might be interested in the video. He's pretty informative too, just in a slightly different way...

http://www.youtube.com/w...ur3U&feature=related

Thank you for the link Marcus – it seems like sound information from the brief intro.

Many times I write things here that are encouragement/admonishment more for myself than anyone else … I think you’re right that “YHWH would want us to be in the right position” or in the word of Scripture, “shrewd”, in order to capitalize on the certain economic downfall (Luke 16:8). But this effort/focus is secondary - becoming spiritually wealthy is certainly first. Purchasing the “spiritual gold” of righteousness is certainly first, seeking the kingdom of YHWH and His righteousness is certainly first.

Revelation 3:18 “I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.”

1 Peter 1:7 “These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Yahushua the Messiah is revealed.”

Job 23:10 “But he knows the way that I take; when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold.”

I grieve over my spiritual poverty far more than my material … and as a parent, the everlasting inheritance I want to give my children is first and foremost spiritual, “I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truth.” 3 John 1:4, because “Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.” Proverbs 11:4

Like the old joke: The rich man wanted to be buried with his gold bricks. When he went before God with his sack, God asked him, "why did you bring these paving stones with you."

A reminder for those buying precious metals. You must have most shipments insured and plus the broker charges a commission and likewise when you get ready to sell. That's unless you are buying certificates, but then what goods a piece of paper if the, Ship In High Transit hits the fan. I doubt these holding houses will have your interest at heart then. So then you must take actual pocession of it and then be willing to protect it too.

By the way the reality is that the presentation does talk about the gold and silver but just because those are the things that are rising now because of the state of the economy. It is just as important to know when to sell and move on to the next trend in the market in order to capitalize on your gains. It is a cyclical market just like any other.
But what I tough people would find interesting is that we in america in his opinion are between stage six and stage seven of the collapse of our economy.

Awesome I am always looking for these types of videos.

Toilet paper, beans and bandaids will be the really valuable things to have on hand.

(My "precious metal" is made from an alloy of Pb.)

Strategy? You're talking investment strategy in a forum? I do and have always lived from paycheck to paycheck. If I missed hours due to illness or some other real emergency, I lost that amount of pay, because not every employer I worked for offered sick days. It was all we could do to pay rent and utilities and buy groceries. So many of us have never had the luxury of disposable income to throw out to investments or vacations or summer cottages or any of that sort of thing. Reading about how buying gold should just be a part of my "investment strategy" serves only to irritate me, brother. And it irritates me a lot. I guess that to those of you luxuriating in those ethereal realms of wealth, those of us down here in the real world are just Specifically-Out-of-Luck, huh. Disgusting, man. Really. May those of you living that way be blessed with a real-life dose of what it is to be in need. And may it last long enough to shake some sense into your heads.

The foregoing is a vent, sincere and heartfelt. Take from it what you will.

Richard

Thanks, EH. I used to listen to and watch Glenn Beck often, but not any more. My wife was not pleased with my rant up above, even though she agrees with and knows first-hand my feelings. I won't apologize for my point of view, though, because I have known those who lived better than most others and who, because of their wealth, enjoyed prestige and privilege in what I thought at the time to be Yah's family (Assemblies of God, Beverly Hills Baptist Church in Dallas, etc.). Their disdain for those who were not living at their level of prosperity was right out in the open and was never called out by the pastors who enjoyed the benefits of their friendships with those self-confident rich people.

It is my certain belief that those who think they are the owners of real gold will never possess it. I feel for them, for they have set their hopes on it.

Gotta go.

Richard

Richard, you tell Christy we love her and she is in our thoughts. We will continually be seeking Fathers help in all matters and we always remember her.

Daniel, that makes great sense!..I lost a customer, (i believe) due to the fact he is a member with Lakewood Church here in Houston. Not the, Bob fella I told you guys about (if you bothered). This guy is in his 30's and let me know his position in that place. We were on some subject that I forget what it was, when I mentioned I would pray on it. Aww heck, I messed up there!..Next thing I know I was listening to Joel Olsteen himself, it felt. He went on telling me about his choir row he's in, in case I'm watching tv, I can look for him. He has a front row in the audience if I ever want to come and have a seat and listen. All that was after his telling me of his 3 corvettes, his property in the thousands of acres for hunting and everything else god had bestowed upon him...I don't know how one handles ppl like this?..So I just casually let him know I don't follow any religion of man, not a one. They have inherited lies and are not trying to see it for themselves. They are content living in the lies, and I just left it there. That will more than likely be my last time doing any work for him. When he seen I wasn't impressed with all his toys or his position, he was just a little disappointed I feel. So be it, let the chips fall where they will bc I stand with Yah, through the work provided by the Son.
Have a happy Sabbath all..!!!

What about Silver? Affordable for those of modest means, and more tradable for smaller items. Seen gas station sign saying gas 20-cents a galoon if paid in pre-'64 dimes, quarters, half dollars (90% silver content)...actually a bad deal since gas would have to be around $5.20.

Normally silver is around 15-20:1 (16:1 typically) to gold, so is way low and likely to rapidly escalate as dishonest weights and measures of FRNs continues to loose value. Recent drop in silver was due to manipulating margins - in radically unprecedented way.

Richard, understand your stand. I'm not "poor", but I do live paycheck to paycheck pretty much, bought our 1st house (1600 sq ft modular used with little $$ down) and only own 1 vehicle. Don't put any $$ into investments or 401k (though I do have a company funded retirement plan - but I'm not counting on it, figure if I do reach retirement, the govt will be taking it)
My situation is harder now with my accident and not working, I'm praying I'm able to return to work before I use up my vacation & sick time.

General question with the talk of gold & silver - where is it more important to invest, the world / babylonian controlled system or Yah's Kingdom?

Why is it research is showing that the poor are more willing to help those in need than those well off?

With all due respect, Marcus, that is steaming hot bull plop.


I never said that.


That, too, is a misrepresentation of what was said. Judging from your overall tone, I would say it is intentional.


Where are you getting this stuff?


Close, but no cigar. They don't help the poor because they just don't care.


Are you saying that isn't true? I look around, I see the luxury cars, the palatial homes, the bling-bling ... gee, I wonder why.


Wha --?!


On that we are in agreement, which is why I posted in the first place.

I have nothing against wealth or those who are wealthy. My tirade was against those who have wealth and who have the poor taste to flaunt it before those who have way less. Like those "brothers" in the AoG who spent time between Sunday School and Worship Service discussing their acreages and which tractor they should buy to keep all that grass in trim, etc. Meanwhile, there I was with a wife and 6 children and no car, renting a not-so-great house in a not-so-great neighborhood. I worked 6-7 days a week and never asked anyone for anything. So I know what I'm talking about. Did you consider that there might, just might, be some here for whom the very idea of buying anything besides the bare necessities of life is a dream they dare not dream? I doubt it, not from your self-excusing response. I stand on what I said and why I said it.


Many of us despise the writings of Paul, even if you did get it wrong.


So have I and others here.


There you go again, talking like I said it was evil to be wealthy. Are you so unable to understand what you read?

Yeah, sure, prepare if you can. For some of us, that will be nothing more than being mentally prepared. For some of you, apparently, that will mean going on a buying spree for gold and canned foods and ammunition and whatever else. Go for it. Just don't act like you're the only folks in the family.

Thank you, EncounterHim. Glad to be of service, man!

To give my two cents, which is more than it's worth probably, The wealthy run the gamut from good to bad just as do the poor. There are wealthy people who have earned there money, there are those who were lucky and in the right place at the right time, and there are those that have not earned there money. There are poor people who are there as a result of bad choices and laziness, there are poor people who are there because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, there are poor people who have been taken advantage of and used. All people run the gamut, and it's not fair to judge anyone based on there economic status any more than on their racial status. Not all poor people deserve to be poor and not all rich people deserve to be rich. Knowing someone's economic status tells your nothing about that person.

Growing up my father was a painter, not in the portrait sense, but a house painter. He worked in one of the wealthiest areas of Dallas and going to work with him I meet people of every social status from the day labor who was working for a meal that night to the mayor of the city, to the US ambassador to Russia to Jerry Jones. I meet poor people who would give you the shirt off there backs and half the food off there plate, and I meet more poor people who cheat you over every chance they got. I meet rich people who were corrupt and as sleazy as they come, and I meet rich people who were among nicest most generous people you would ever meet. One of the ladies my dad worked for was a multi-millionaire who had adopted 15 special needs children and spent her time and money caring for and proving for them. I meet a carpenter who would steal anything he could because, "the rich bastards could afford it." So which one is doing better for our society? I could tell stories of people who were the exact opposite.

The Torah teaches us that we should not find in favor a rich man because he is rich nor a poor man because he is poor. Character is what matters, not economic status.

In my own opinion, the "poor" have a right to gripe. Our circumstances in life in most cases shape our outcome. So if a tough hand has been delt to you and you made the best of it, then you tried just as hard at having a shot at the piece of pie (security,) but it for some reason, it went different than you had figured, or hoped. Love ya, Richard!!!..I recognize you are venting and it's okay, and Marcus sounds like a big enough man that I believe he understands. Shalom, brothers!

I sang that song in front of my wife some time back and she cracked up. Had her rolling on the floor with my rendition of "O Lord! It's Hard To Be Humble". Some of those songs from yesteryear are still quite funny.

Just today I was thinking about the late Keith Green's parody song, "So You Want To Go Back To Egypt", and thinking how Yahowsha' told us that once we've put our hand to the plow, we're not to look back at our old life and reconsider our decision. Got taught and blessed all over again. That, plus the brief phone fellowship with Walt this morning, plus getting to spend the whole day with my wife away from the house made today absolutely wonderful. Praise Yah!

Why do you feel shame? Did you personally have anything to do with the treachery enacted upon the native peoples of this continent? I refuse to be ashamed for something someone else did yesterday, especially when they did it to someone else I didn't know. That is why I despise those so-called African-Americans who scream that I and all other Caucasians owe them some sort of penalty fee because some other Caucasians I never knew forced into slavery some other people I never knew on lands I have never owned. My wife is African-American, or black, or a Negro, or whatever label man has devised at the time, and she too loathes the mind that would latch onto such an idiotic idea. We are not responsible for the evil done by others, and I refuse to let someone else force a shame onto my shoulders that I do not deserve. I have plenty for which to be ashamed, if I choose to focus on my flaws and criminal acts; I do not need make-believe charges added to that. And I thank Yahowah for His faithfulness and mercy and loving kindnesses towards a wretch like me.

By the way, have you ever considered why Yahowah never specifically condemned the owning of slaves? I think that since "jobs" didn't really exist before the industrial age, one way a man or woman could ensure they had a roof over their head and food to eat was to sell themselves - temporarily or permanently - to a wealthy person as a servant or slave. Just a thought. I mean, Abraham had servants, didn't he?

As for the crimes of the colonizers against the land's original citizens, were they not a result of the arrogant pride of the colonizers themselves? And wasn't that pride a result of their belief that they were right with "God Almighty" and that they natives were sub-human savages? In other words, isn't Christianity to blame when you get right down to it? "I am right with Gawd, and you are just a devil-worshiping barbarian. You are not even worthy of my respect or of any politeness whatsoever. I can lie to you and Gawd will cool with it, because I am His kid and you are a lost devil." The Christians and other religious leaders of the colonies treated the American "Indians" exactly like today's Muslims treat those who are not Muslims. Ain't that a kick in the head?

Love ya.

Richard

This is very true. "Slavery" in Scripture is not at all what come to mind when people think of the word slave. We think of the horrible institution that was the American slave trade. The American slave trade would never have lasted let alone flourished the way it did if Yah's Towrah had been observed by the American founders. And you point about jobs is 100% on. People worked in trades, and often had apprentices, but by and large each family was it's own business. You worked at the family store, or on the family farm etc. If you were big enough to have someone work for you, it was usually in trade for room and board, with perhaps a small salary.

I have heard that, brother, and you're right. It does make a lot more sense. Christians have said that He was referring to a small gate in the city wall when He said. "eye of a needle". And I have read how the tour guides in Yerushalayim, knowing that to be a total crock, will try to keep a straight face when they point out such an opening to Christian tourists, who always "oooh!" and "ahhhh!" and nod to one another with the gravity of deep wisdom and knowledge.

On a different note, referring to your signature, I am reminded of Eleazar the son of Dodo and Shammah son of Agee (2 Samuel 23). Those guys stood their ground against Yahowah's enemies even when all the other Yisra'elites had run away. I wanna grow up to be like those guys!